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from Australia and in Los Angeles my co-host and\h
good buddy Bryce Sable who's in fact drumroll\h\h

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San Francisco how are you mate I'm fine I was\h
saying I was thinking to myself well here I go\h\h

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I have to correct rice on the factor in the very\h
beginning so I'm glad that didn't happen no I am\h\h

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in San Francisco uh where uh I met a condo that's\h
under construction so we've asked everyone to stop\h\h

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pounding and sawing for a short period of time\h
so we can get this done and I'm looking forward\h\h

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to it now this week is a very important week\h
because we are on the cusp on the threshold of\h\h

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what is likely to be a very interesting report\h
to the Congress from the Pentagon reporting as\h\h

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required under the National Defense authorization\h
act requirements on uaps so we've decided to make\h\h

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this a full show a very special show we've got\h
two very important guests coming on a bit later\h\h

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Ryan Robbins from post disclosure World and\h
Christina Gomez from Paradigm shifts we're\h\h

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going to do an analysis of the implications of\h
what we believe is in the report to Congress but\h\h

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before we do that Bryce and I as we always like\h
to do an analysis of the important news that has\h\h

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transpired in the weeks since our last podcast\h
what do you think is the most important thing\h\h

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that we've had in the last couple of weeks mate\h
well I think the thing that's gotten a lot of\h\h

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attention and certainly gotten people writing\h
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been the fact that NASA finally laid out the 16 I\h
believe it's 16 individuals that will make up its\h\h

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study group and people should be aware that NASA\h
has after years of saying we don't do UFOs only\h\h

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recently said yeah we'll look into this UAP thing\h
for about uh for about nine months and we'll get\h\h

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back to you so NASA has gotten into the UFO slash\h
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time to look into it and I guess the only and so\h
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from CNN do uh the the magazines of course but\h
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as I understand it the unclassified part of\h
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but I'm glad to see that they're getting involved\h
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investigations to be honest I don't doubt that\h
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but if we're going to limit what NASA is allowed\h
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you're wasting your time because pretty much all\h
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important article of the last couple of weeks\h
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New York Times Julian bands story that we have to\h
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New York Times And The Wall Street Journal have\h
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anticipate the uh findings of what the report to\h
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Julian Barnes New York Times story was worthy\h
of the New York Times there's one saying as a\h\h

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journalist a journalist is only ever as good as\h
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time because of dud sources and I suspect that\h
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in the intelligence Community who frankly wanted\h
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don't you agree I I well I do agree with it but\h
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that his sources are bad because he knows where\h
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context is missing he's written he's managed to\h
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that basically says okay the people that have been\h
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explainable so there's nothing to see here well\h
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not the issue even Congress has said uh we don't\h
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to know about the ones that aren't explained and\h
so I think Julian Barnes when he wrote that for\h\h

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the times did a grave disservice to people because\h
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the headline and that's how they interpret\h
the reality of what the article is about and\h\h

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of course if you read this Julian Barnes piece in\h
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it with the idea that oh I guess it's all been\h
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all that and all this uh Hue and cry about UAP may\h
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explained I guess it must be drones or something\h
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disservice that he did just on that point one of\h
the key allegations that was made in the bands\h\h

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New York Times story was that the Pentagon has\h
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in relation to the three Navy videos the go fast\h
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allegation in that New York Times story that\h
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a walking back by the Pentagon that they're\h
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Susan Goff has taken issue with at least one\h
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on this issue she's told c-a-a-r-i-u news a couple\h
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on its findings in relation to the three Navy\h
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to what it could not explain about those videos\h
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needs to go on the record that the New York Times\h
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have to say I'm about to say something Ross that\h
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and frankly don't anticipate saying again in the\h
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become a controversial character as many people\h
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spokesperson and so she's been kind of the point\h
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most people's uh point of view in terms of doing\h
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back against the times I think shows something and\h
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that responsibility more seriously in the future\h
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let's face it there are lots of people involved\h
in this story now and uh we're all chasing facts\h\h

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uh some of some of us are chasing government\h
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people are less concerned about an individual uh\h
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new ones that we could talk about and we will\h
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end of the day what people yeah yeah sure I just I\h
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with the New York Times the implications\h
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because it suggests that possibly deliberately\h
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one of the world's greatest newspapers and this\h
isn't the first time this has happened as I said\h\h

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journalists are only ever as good as their sources\h
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major stories wrong and people don't need to tie\h
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York Times says because even the times gets Yarns\h
wrong back in the Russian Revolution they said the\h\h

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Bolsheviks were going to lose they reported\h
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the regime was on the point of total collapse\h
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European Jews during World War II and who could\h
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that Saddam Hussein was obtaining nuclear weapons\h
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war in the Middle East it also held back on its\h
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program during the bush Kerry 2004 election at\h
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people need to understand that we are at a very\h
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there is a gigantic pushback coming from the\h
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and they've shown their card in a very foolish\h
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as a transitional moment because the truth is uh\h
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anyway right now uh part of the country doesn't\h
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say they're the newspaper of record okay they're\h
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they're not getting this one particularly right\h
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right in December of 2017 when they broke that\h
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come to the New York Times but the good news\h
is uh we don't need only the U.S military or\h\h

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only the US government or only the New York Times\h
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Civilian researchers looking into things and I\h
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introduce our two guests we've we'd like to\h
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it we're all in this together over time all of\h
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there is something going on here maybe I should\h
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I listen to and I know Ross listens to in this\h
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Who uh Christina nice to see you and welcome she\h
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three others frankly you're the hardest working\h
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our our other guest is Ryan Robbins who is uh the\h
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a guru or maybe I will uh Ryan you started as\h
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uh I I can't let that stand without asking how\h
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just an internet I mean I it was a meme you were\h
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really disappointed Ryan stopped being UFO Jesus I\h
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it but I think when I started out I just I started\h
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section was like hey it's UFO Jesus so it's not\h
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that created it so I thought it was creative and I\h
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I'm like okay I think I've had my fill and I'm\h
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real name Ryan Robbins so every once in a while if\h
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but generally yeah generally these days I go by\h
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from you a little bit because you um you're the\h
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to anybody who's looking at it I guess how does a\h
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to be graduating I believe next year how do you\h
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time for ufology I have the time because I have\h
insomnia and when it comes to the topic of the UFO\h\h

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phenomenon everything unexplained and mysterious\h
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it gives me that drive it gives me that energy\h
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shows a week on my channel it looks at everything\h
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is a convergence between the UFO phenomenon and\h
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look at it's all of these different things it\h
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we are able to see a little bit better than if we\h
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specifically bringing this topic to my generation\h
gen Z to get them involved to get them interested\h\h

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because they are going to be our future lawyers\h
politicians and teachers and I truly believe at\h\h

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this topic this conversation that we're going to\h
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humanity is having right now okay well let's\h
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here for which is the forthcoming UAP report\h
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been able to verify with intelligence sources\h
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is pretty much on the money so the the report to\h
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Mail is that they've been 150 cases of unexplained\h
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in the past year it's a 22-page report\h
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Director of National Intelligence it's analyzed\h
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them could be explained now I think the simple\h
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to Congress after 12 months and acknowledging\h
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phenomena that they cannot dismiss prosaically\h
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Ryan I think it's incredibly significant\h
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apparatus that is at the disposal of the United\h
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spending of the military with the United States\h
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and um you know even Elizondo said himself\h
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I think it's so important he said that the\h
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are some of the least compelling videos that\h
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the US government of of captures of UAP and\h
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realistically the Tic Tac event the gimbal event\h
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um a lot of these events have remained secret\h
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eventually the other the other UFO event\h
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it are is going to come to the fore and we're\h
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technical evidence the military has of\h
this phenomena is far greater than we\h\h

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can possibly imagine hey Christina let me frame\h
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um I do want to hear what you think about this\h
upcoming report but what does gen Z know about\h\h

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this report do they care about it and I assume\h
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that's a great question when we are looking\h
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it's not a question on if alien life exists\h
extraterrestrials and UFOs and things like this\h\h

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it's not a question for the most part they think\h
it's just the way of the universe now but when it\h\h

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comes to these reports provided by the government\h
that we are beginning to receive now they don't\h\h

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care why is that well my generation they already\h
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mainstream media they don't really listen to the\h
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to say because it's not significant in their\h
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videos to watch the podcasts that we're doing here\h
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of these kind of sometimes very wordy papers\h
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they don't really understand the terminology they\h
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much rather listen to us speak give them the\h
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this and that is more interesting than reading\h
some report where our last one the preliminary\h\h

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report was about nine pages this next one is\h
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how much of those are going to be made public they\h
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care they want the evidence they want the videos\h
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but they don't care what the government has to say\h
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think that the government is holding back for any\h
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generation about why the government is holding\h
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why is the government restraining the public on\h
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any smoking guns yet it just has just as Ryan had\h
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other photos such as the Gimbal and the go fast\h
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the field but for your average person walking down\h
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there's nothing really interesting going on now as\h
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generation think that the government's not coming\h
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because once again they just don't really care\h
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time again for decades it's just been lie after\h
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this would be Project Blue Book where their whole\h
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is aware of that at least vaguely to wear whatever\h
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you know Ryan that's a follow up on that it is\h
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has lied to us about UFOs I mean there's been\h
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of 47 for example uh where Roswell happened and\h
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started they've had ample opportunity to outright\h
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the government has been lying all this time why\h
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about it uh well unfortunately as far as I know\h
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don't know why that is we we can form all kinds of\h
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whatever reason it could be because this phenomena\h
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uh capabilities but for whatever reason it's the\h
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have all the good stuff whether it's the alleged\h
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the way to uh High Fidelity gun camera videos\h
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we also live in a world where we listen to our\h
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to the subject to the mystery when the government\h
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what we know about it especially in an environment\h
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ubiquitously look at this as hogwash and they\h
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is due to the stigma that has been propagated by\h
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that's starting to erode and now the government\h
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nearly to the degree that they should and\h
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learning about for example atip that that at\h
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end of the United States government's interest\h
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Galileo with Dr avilo getting interested in it\h
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by the media almost on a weekly basis why the\h
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government's tone on the topic has shifted okay\h
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agree that there has been Revelations from papers\h
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can I put this to you isn't there the risk\h
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area of interest for a fairly small number of\h
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that if there isn't momentum for example in the\h
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issue if there's not major regulations Smoking\h
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for another 50 years or do you think that\h
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well I'll say this I'll say look uh if you look at\h
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event with the Nimitz event they started seeing\h
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started upgrading the radar with the USS Roosevelt\h
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upgraded the radar so I think we're in an\h
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just getting way way better and so you know even\h
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seem very interested at all and being transparent\h
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to track things in our atmosphere and our oceans\h
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that the United States Congress knows that it's\h
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don't get the Smoking Gun anytime soon we are on\h
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going to come to light it's inevitable because\h
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National Security apparatus is playing a really\h
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the the can down the field and try to delay this\h
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outcome of that it's an erosion and Trust in\h
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out they're smarter than I am I know it's going\h
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times more and yet they're still playing this game\h
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inevitably the whole world is going to realize how\h
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to be Crystal Clear what the US government did\h
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and all their stonewalling and all their delaying\h
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trust so is that the Patriotic thing for the US\h
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the National Security apparatus to do I don't\h
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we were doing interviews is he said that our\h
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about to be able to LEAP into their world right\h
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saying our technology for the military has gotten\h
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ways to observe these things do you think uh as\h
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uh your generation any generation is prepared to\h
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slow walk this we're going to go out and do it\h
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fun and I guess news that's more geared towards\h
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interested in what the government has to say there\h
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like you know politically motivated you know like\h
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have seen growing up always like are they always\h
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would think so right so whether it's TV sci-fi\h
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the most part of what what the government will say\h
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us people like us to decode that information but\h
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in entertainment so it's really tough to get young\h
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activism for a second you mentioned that word Ross\h
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on the streets for anti-war the Vietnam War for\h
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eventually will bring people onto the streets\h
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the streets there's a lot of hatred involved\h
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UFO phenomenon it's not really about those kinds\h
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it's about getting that transparency from the\h
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how it will go in the near future I hope people\h
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are asking we are asking the big questions and\h
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assume that we're not if the media is as fractured\h
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they've all got their data and their media from\h
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as you suggest it's very hard isn't it to get\h
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there are so many crises and you're in my Society\h
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how you know I appreciate that podcasts like\h
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ours as well but I think isn't the issue that\h
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a momentum in mainstream media to actually get\h
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leaders the people in the positions of power\h
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in the U.S Air Force who are obfuscating and\h
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essentially what we're going to see is a pushback\h
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of this issue unless there is a major Smoking\h
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social media can cut through and provide momentum\h
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than never young people they're not looking at the\h
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for all of their news and while for some that can\h
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just the way that we're going so for those that\h
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media they're touching new minds every single day\h
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could do or newspapers could do social media is so\h
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if one of your videos or one of your papers are\h
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you just don't expect that so I think that we have\h
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assisting with social media if you're listening\h
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heard from Christina Gomez of Paradigm shifts\h
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analyst as much as anything um and I wonder as an\h
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possible can you put the toothpaste back in the\h
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demand answers here I don't believe you can partly\h
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various radar operators radar operators and\h
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assessment of what they've encountered in in\h
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just look at the USS Nimitz UFO event series I've\h
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that has come forward and people can correct\h
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that has stated that what was encountered that day\h
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of Unknown Origin some of them may think it's from\h
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glitch on the radar or an optical illusion\h
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extraordinary technology and beyond that as far as\h
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much higher Fidelity data than than we have and\h
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it open this is from um July of 2019 and this\h
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Hoffman of who was a SCU board member I think\h
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he he quoted and he said this he said I'm going\h
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told me straight out that these clips floor one\h
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fact there were incredible evidence showing\h
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remaining portions that are indeed classified\h
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data than we have so no I don't think you can put\h
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then you have people like Harvard scientists\h
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knows what to look for knows where to look so now\h
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tube personally uh Ross you and I have talked\h
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jump ball out there what Russ and I talk about all\h
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basic fact we are not alone and showing a piece\h
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that confirms that why don't we at least confirm\h
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that timidity by the the National Security\h
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just don't like admitting that they're confounded\h
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week or so with a couple of these articles\h
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internal War within the Pentagon or within the\h
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coming clean to the extent possible about this\h
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it bottled up Christina do you do you take that\h
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part at least to my understanding the majority\h
of people that are looking into this have no idea\h\h

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what's going on and that can be very difficult\h
to admit because you're showing weakness first\h\h

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off and probably the most dangerous thing that you\h
could ever do when you're a part of the government\h\h

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is showing weakness and in this case because it\h
is a full-blown mystery they can't just say no I\h\h

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have no idea what's going on sorry guys you you\h
paid me billions of dollars with your taxes but\h\h

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uh yeah I don't know what's going on here that's\h
terrible to tell the public right I mean how do\h\h

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you think the public would react to something like\h
that sorry I don't know well let's let's use a\h\h

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specific example here I mean the the Josh Boswell\h
story in the mail suggests that there are videos\h\h

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not released still classified shot by Reaper\h
drones that have been conducting surveillance\h\h

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in the Middle East that have caught orbs flying\h
around them and then suddenly bolting off the\h\h

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screen Ryan what what do you think would happen if\h
such a video was released I think people would be\h\h

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absolutely fascinated I think uh people would be\h
fascinated people would want to know more I think\h\h

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the scientific Community would want to know more\h
I think our greatest innovators such as Jeff Bezos\h\h

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and others would maybe potentially depending upon\h
how clear these videos are and and you know how\h\h

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good the data is they would be curious about\h
how how are these things moving what kind of\h\h

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propulsion system do they have and then maybe\h
it would be a spark of some kind of evolution\h\h

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within the scientific Community to pursue\h
other means of of of power getting off oil\h\h

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um I I think it could begin be the beginning\h
of that depending upon how good the videos are\h\h

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but I don't buy the argument that\h
people would panic in the street\h\h

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or there'd be unrest if it was dropped on Humanity\h
that we're not alone I mean there are there are\h\h

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nuclear missiles in China and Russia pointing at\h
Los Angeles and Washington DC right now we're just\h\h

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getting off uh well we're not actually we're\h
still in the midst of a pandemic that's killed\h\h

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Untold amount of people made Untold amount\h
of people sick it is it's wrecked the economy\h\h

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um I I like I'm gonna just go back to my fear\h
that the longer the U.S government drags this\h\h

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out the more conducive the environment is that the\h
public will lose trust in the U.S government and\h\h

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um if the U.S government those involved\h
in the secrecy want to diminished blowback\h\h

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diminish any kind of disruption ironically within\h
Society then they need to speed this process up\h\h

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uh we've been doing the trickle thing for a\h
long time now and I think the argument for\h\h

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continuing the trickle thing assuming because\h
I could be wrong but assuming they have Smoking\h\h

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Gun data that would seal the deal is a grave\h
mistake and uh it concerns me very very deeply\h\h

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me too uh I was kind of curious for the whole\h
group of us here um does age impact in patients\h\h

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I know that at I'm at a certain age right now and\h
I'm impatient as hell I'm I've I've I've watched\h\h

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my entire life this thing and for years I've\h
been thinking well how much longer can this thing\h\h

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really continue and yet it continues so now I'm\h
just I'm a little pissed off I'm very impatient\h\h

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uh and I'm just wondering uh to the two of you\h
Ryan and Christina are you impatient or do you\h\h

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are you willing to take a longer view and say well\h
eventually this is going to get done I'm obviously\h\h

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impatient I want the information now right now\h
bring it to me I'm ready but because you know\h\h

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I'm so used to getting everything instantaneously\h
with Google and emails and texting and things like\h\h

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this but when you bring my generation into this\h
conversation while some of the information can be\h\h

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incredibly tantalizing looking at UFO encounters\h
and abductions and things like this again when it\h\h

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comes to the government aspect of it they couldn't\h
care less so if they get this report today or in\h\h

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a year it's it's not going to be a part of their\h
daily conversation when they're out for lunch or\h\h

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something like this but for myself and I know I'm\h
speaking for hopefully everyone here we want the\h\h

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information now because this really is the most\h
important conversation that humanity is having\h\h

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do you think your generation think that that I\h
mean you're obviously quite extraordinary and\h\h

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exceptional in terms of your interest in the\h
subject matter uh is there not a Latitude an\h\h

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indifference amongst young people towards the\h
subject matter or are they engaged are they\h\h

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interested I believe that they are rather engaged\h
in the conversation once again looking at the\h\h

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movies that they grew up with the documentaries\h
the TV shows are now with social media the only\h\h

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issue with at the moment is that videos that are\h
getting millions of views are those that are very\h\h

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easy to tell that they are CGI now if you were\h
to post a video of an orb or something kind of\h\h

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blurry they're like oh man this is so boring they\h
in a sense they do want to be entertained they\h\h

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want to find this content tantalizing but if if we\h
don't bring them right what they want they're not\h\h

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going to be interested in it but here's the thing\h
I want to turn that around I want to get everyone\h\h

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interested in the topic looking at all aspects of\h
it I want young people to start demanding answers\h\h

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from the government because they're not doing that\h
right now but they will at some point let's let's\h\h

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talk for example about the the simple fact that\h
there is a a an election looming in the United\h\h

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States I I think that one of the explanations\h
that is very clearly going to form part of the\h\h

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report that's going to come down probably in the\h
next couple of days is the explanation that that\h\h

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a lot of these objects that have been thought\h
of as unexplained uaps are in fact allegedly we\h\h

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are told Chinese or Russian drones now Bryce and I\h
explored this in a documentary earlier in the year\h\h

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it may very well be I mean some of the images\h
that have been posted uh in publicly available\h\h

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information by the U.S Navy suggests that some\h
of these might be drones but what do you think\h\h

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of that explanation what do you think of the\h
idea that the public are being led to the view\h\h

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that these are Chinese drones I mean what concerns\h
me is the idea that implicitly the United States\h\h

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government by saying that is admitting it's not\h
in control of its own airspace it's basically\h\h

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saying yeah you know what we we see these things\h
hovering over our ships and we don't engage them\h\h

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we don't shoot at them there's not much we can do\h
about them because there's hordes of them swarming\h\h

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us I I don't get it I just truly think that that\h
explanation raises even more grave concerns of a\h\h

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national security nature in many ways they're\h
in danger by using that explanation of drones\h\h

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are they in danger of putting themselves on a\h
slippery slope to an admission that undermines\h\h

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public confidence in the military in the defense\h
even more than the current intransigent lack of\h\h

402
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transparency that they're showing to the UAP issue\h
well drones are just the new drones are just the\h\h

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new Swamp gas and weather balloons that's it and\h
and the and the old excuse for what some of these\h\h

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objects are such as weather balloons or Venus\h
they won't wash up they they won't they won't\h\h

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they won't Vibe with young people and and I can\h
tell you this so neither will Airborne trash or\h\h

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Chinese drones okay that's an insult for all of\h
these Pilots coming forward so when you have these\h\h

407
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Elite government studies study groups pushing\h
those Solutions it just gets laughed off really\h\h

408
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it's silly I want to I want to pull Ryan in on\h
this as a from post-disclosure World Ryan Robbins\h\h

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um Ryan if we take for uh as an Article of Faith\h
what we just said at the beginning were Russ uh\h\h

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iterated what the daily mail was stating was\h
probably going to be in this report and how\h\h

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it seems to check out which is 22 pages\h
that basically come down to we've looked\h\h

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at 366 new cases and about half of them we\h
can't explain all right that's that should\h\h

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be fairly attention getting to people but do you\h
think that's anything that could have any impact\h\h

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whatsoever in the current midterm elections\h
which are a week away I I think so I mean\h\h

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it's a it's a huge national security issue\h
I mean if you have uh surveillance vehicles\h\h

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um recording military operations and collecting\h
data on strategy of the United States Navy and\h\h

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that's all being um transmitted to the Chinese\h
military and intelligence apparatus that's pretty\h\h

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disturbing and that needs to be addressed and I\h
think those candidates who put a lot of emphasis\h\h

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on that will be well received uh certainly\h
not something to gloss over but regarding\h\h

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the idea that a lot of this is coming from China\h\h

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um we should learn more about how they're pulling\h
it off where are these Chinese drones taking off\h\h

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from because for example Lieutenant Ryan Graves\h
he was doing operations off the Eastern seaboard\h\h

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and as I recollect he said almost on a daily basis\h
him and others in his Squadron were picking these\h\h

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things up on multiple sensors these are not\h
objects that are coming off the Chinese Coast\h\h

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where the United States is encroaching on the\h
Chinese Coast these are these are happening what\h\h

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10 20 miles off the United States Coast so where\h
are these objects taking off from how are they uh\h\h

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getting in close proximity to our carrier strike\h
groups and then without being blown out of the sky\h\h

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how are they returning to where they're taking off\h
from I think that kind of information is going to\h\h

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have to be made crystal clear to the American\h
people because it's not good enough to say oh\h\h

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they're Chinese well tell us more where where are\h
they coming from how are they getting here I mean\h\h

431
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it's it's pretty startling when you really think\h
about it I want to give you props for the way you\h\h

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phrase that Ryan because that does seem like an\h
effective way to take on the Chinese drone or\h\h

433
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anybody's drone kind of point of view which is to\h
say okay well let's work with that for a minute\h\h

434
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if you're going to take that argument then how\h
does that physically work in the real physical\h\h

435
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world and and I think your point is well taken you\h
know one thing I wanted to ask you though Ryan is\h\h

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you've got something called post-disclosure\h
world I wrote a book called after disclosure\h\h

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uh what's disclosure mean to you these days what\h
what do you mean by post disclosure that almost\h\h

438
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feels like there is an event and everything\h
is before it and then there's an event and\h\h

439
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everything is after that's certainly what I was\h
thinking when Dolan and I wrote after disclosure\h\h

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what are you thinking with post disclosure well\h
unfortunately the word disclosure is um is highly\h\h

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ridiculed I'm not I guess I have I guess I kind\h
of understand maybe part of it is because people\h\h

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have been burned for so long by the United States\h
being transparent about um Coming clean on UAP so\h\h

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they just like to ridicule the word maybe part\h
of why it's ridiculed is because people have\h\h

444
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been saying for so long that disclosure is going\h
to happen I'm sure I've I've been responsible for\h\h

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that to some extent but ultimately to me and and\h
you know there is no agreed upon Definition of\h\h

446
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disclosure so we're allowed to we're allowed\h
to apply whatever destination we want until\h\h

447
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there's an official definition to Me Disclosure\h
is very simple all disclosure is is when Smoking\h\h

448
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Gun evidence of the phenomena emerges that is so\h
so epistemologically scientific that the entire\h\h

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world and all institutions have to accept\h
that we are not alone in the universe and\h\h

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we're being engaged by something that does not\h
originate from Human intelligence to me that's\h\h

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what disclosure is so disclosure does not have\h
to come from a government it can come from a\h\h

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mass sighting where a bunch of people are able to\h
get adequate footage of it or it could come from\h\h

453
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someone like Dr Abby Loeb in his Galileo project\h
with Harvard getting the evidence as long as it\h\h

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meets that measure of epistemology then we have\h
disclosure so to me that is what disclosure is\h\h

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and of course for my usage of disclosure there is\h
the assumption that there is a phenomena out there\h\h

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um I can't prove it unfortunately and I know\h
I could be wrong but when you look at the\h\h

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patterns that have emerged over and over again\h
over decades and decades when you look at foia\h\h

458
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documents and how they've treated the phenomena\h
and what you what what modern day uh Navy aviators\h\h

459
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and radar operators are saying uh I feel fairly\h
confident that this phenomena is real and that it\h\h

460
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does not originate from Human intelligence the\h
way you're defining disclosure in a way sounds\h\h

461
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like confirmation you you you would feel pretty\h
good if they would just say here's some tape\h\h

462
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this stuff is real talk to you later yeah and I\h
think it's a very I think it's I'm just gonna go\h\h

463
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say it I think it's tragic I think the tragic\h
tragic is the right word I think it's tragic\h\h

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if in fact there are compartments within the\h
United States government or American aerospace\h\h

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companies or other governments or foreign\h
aerospace companies that have the Smoking\h\h

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Gun evidence because what it amounts to is a\h
very small number of humanity uh having access\h\h

467
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to earth-shattering knowledge about our universe\h
keeping it to themselves and letting the rest of\h\h

468
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us seven plus billion people be in the dark about\h
the true nature of our reality and it what it what\h\h

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it ultimately inevitably does is it holds back\h
the progression of science because as soon as\h\h

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you have disclosure now you're just flooded with\h
a whole bunch of questions for example even even\h\h

471
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questions that seem outlandish for example\h
has this phenomena meddled with human uh DNA\h\h

472
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um has it been trying to manipulate us over the\h
decades why is it here um and on and on it goes\h\h

473
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there's so many questions that that right now\h
would be considered science fiction or ridiculous\h\h

474
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another question is how how are they how are they\h
maneuvering without wings without any um uh clear\h\h

475
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means of propulsion these questions would start\h
flooding in and they would permeate the minds\h\h

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of our our greatest scientists and engineers and\h
there is a small number of people on this planet\h\h

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that are precluding that and I'm sure they they\h
come up with all kinds of creative justifications\h\h

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but you know what I'll say this because I\h
know that Ross cult heart and I found this\h\h

479
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really fascinating he once said look I've been a\h
journalist I've kept information from the public\h\h

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before knowing that it's in the best interest\h
of the public if the United States government or\h\h

481
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any government would just tell me a good reason\h
of why they're keeping it secret I would remove\h\h

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myself from the conversation and up until this\h
day as far as I know and Ross you can correct me\h\h

483
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if I'm wrong nobody from the Pentagon or the DIA\h
or any aerospace companies said hey Ross this is\h\h

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why we're keeping the rest of the world in the\h
dark and and here's your chance to realize why\h\h

485
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it's Justified that hasn't happened has it Ross oh\h
boy I've really tried Ryan yeah no that's a very\h\h

486
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sharp question no I I have I've had conversations\h
with many people you know at a senior level in\h\h

487
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three letter agencies who would meet that they\h
are as vexed As You Are by the intransigence\h\h

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of The Gatekeepers and it's funny because I I used\h
to think that there was some dark conspiracy to me\h\h

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the most plausible explanation is and this is what\h
I hope is the case frankly we are in dangerous\h\h

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times I think there was a much cleverer and much\h
more determined rollout happening way back in 2015\h\h

491
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2016. I think that we probably got a spanner in\h
the works because of the pandemic and also because\h\h

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of the deteriorating International situation I\h
think there are now people particularly in the U.S\h\h

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Air Force I'm told who are basically saying now\h
is not the time and it's exactly the same stunt\h\h

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that's been pulled pretty much decade after decade\h
after over the last 75 years um I I routinely\h\h

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have conversations with people in intelligence and\h
defense in the United States and in my own country\h\h

496
00:50:43,380 --> 00:50:49,980
and in other countries who are telling me this is\h
real that there is a genuine anomalous phenomenon\h\h

497
00:50:49,980 --> 00:50:57,960
that is a a it is possibly non-human intelligence\h
more likely than not non-human intelligence and\h\h

498
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:03,480
they are as vexed and as confounded as you and\h
I are about why the public can't be told this\h\h

499
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:08,220
I suspect the most plausible explanation that\h
they're holding back is one they don't like\h\h

500
00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:12,720
admitting that they don't understand it and\h
two they're hoping that they can develop the\h\h

501
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:18,480
Technologies and master the technologies that lie\h
behind it and that would give America or whichever\h\h

502
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:24,480
country controls it a strategic advantage but\h
I still don't understand even on that rationale\h\h

503
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:31,200
I don't understand why the public can't be told\h
here's one possibility uh I think it's no surprise\h\h

504
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:36,720
to anybody that our country and in fact the world\h
is a pretty chaotic place right now Ryan touched\h\h

505
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:41,880
upon a little bit about that with the pandemic and\h
all that but also we live in a country right now\h\h

506
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:48,420
in the United States where we're pretty evenly\h
split people have lacked uh lost the ability\h\h

507
00:51:48,420 --> 00:51:54,360
to talk to each other in a kind of a reasonable\h
way and uh it's just getting tougher and tougher\h\h

508
00:51:54,360 --> 00:52:00,600
to To None to to see things not be politicized so\h
Christina I'm kind of wondering from your point of\h\h

509
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:06,540
view is that a reason why you think they might be\h
holding back on doing this they just don't think\h\h

510
00:52:06,540 --> 00:52:13,020
that we can if we can't even handle our current\h
reality how would we handle this enhanced reality\h\h

511
00:52:14,340 --> 00:52:21,000
it makes me question well then what time is the\h
right time there are so many quotes that go the\h\h

512
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:26,880
right time is now because the next moment we don't\h
even know if it'll ever come it's the same thing\h\h

513
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:31,740
that my father says yeah yeah we'll do it tomorrow\h
and it's like Dad it's tomorrow tomorrow's\h\h

514
00:52:31,740 --> 00:52:37,300
tomorrow it hasn't been tomorrow yet and so\h
with that I like your dad already [Laughter]\h\h

515
00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:46,380
well he raised me uh with Twilight Zone best\h
TV show on the planet but it's if if you\h\h

516
00:52:46,380 --> 00:52:53,880
Harbor that mentality right then there will never\h
be a right time never ever the right time is now\h\h

517
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:59,460
no matter the situation you know we're getting\h
toward the end here Ross where you gotta wrap this\h\h

518
00:52:59,460 --> 00:53:04,620
up but I wanted to throw one thing out there I was\h
uh at a you have a conference a couple of weeks\h\h

519
00:53:04,620 --> 00:53:09,720
ago and one of the things they did on a panel is\h
ask people well how did you first tip to this this\h\h

520
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:14,580
thing and I know uh Christina for example I've\h
listened to a number of your podcasts where you're\h\h

521
00:53:14,580 --> 00:53:20,160
asking people that you have on his guess well\h
how did you first get involved or whatever my\h\h

522
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:26,040
question is let's turn it around on on this group\h
here Christina how did you first say you know this\h\h

523
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:32,100
interests me enough that I'm actually going to\h
lose sleep over it and uh and and I'm going to\h\h

524
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:38,280
try to make my own impact in it what what happened\h
how did that happen for you well it originally\h\h

525
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:44,400
started with my father and we used to binge watch\h
the Twilight Zone every New Year's and it was from\h\h

526
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:50,760
there because of that TV show looking at all of\h
these mysterious topics that got me interested but\h\h

527
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:56,580
it wasn't until I moved very far away from home\h
to enter University where at that time I had a\h\h

528
00:53:56,580 --> 00:54:03,120
lot of free time on my hands which is no longer a\h
thing but it was from that moment where I thought\h\h

529
00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:08,640
I want to have this conversation people on my\h
campus I don't want to talk to me about this\h\h

530
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:14,160
stuff they're like hold on Christina let's let's\h
let's take a few substances and then we can have\h\h

531
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:18,540
this conversation and I'm just like what do you\h
mean I want to talk about this now they look at\h\h

532
00:54:18,540 --> 00:54:24,540
their clock and they're like it's literally 8\h
A.M okay no we're not doing this and so then I\h\h

533
00:54:24,540 --> 00:54:30,660
began to go online and attempt to find like-minded\h
people to have this conversation because I truly\h\h

534
00:54:30,660 --> 00:54:37,680
wanted and I still want to understand what the\h
heck is going on because even to this day I don't\h\h

535
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:43,440
have the answers if anything I have so many more\h
questions than answers from when I first started\h\h

536
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:49,740
onward but I'm so passionate about it that I'm\h
Gonna Keep researching it until I cross over\h\h

537
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:56,400
how about you Ryan what's your uh what's your\h
initiation story well you know I've always sort\h\h

538
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:04,260
of been interested in UAP but what really uh lit\h
a fire underneath my behind to engage this subject\h\h

539
00:55:04,260 --> 00:55:11,520
on it on a YouTube channel was the October\h
11 2017 conference with to the Stars Academy\h\h

540
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:17,700
when I saw all these high level people such as\h
um Jim semivan from the Central Intelligence\h\h

541
00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:23,400
Agency and the number three guy from Lockheed\h
Martin Skunk Works I can't his name slips me\h\h

542
00:55:24,180 --> 00:55:30,780
but and then Luella zondo and Lou Elizondo said it\h
was it was in this experience of being the head of\h\h

543
00:55:30,780 --> 00:55:35,880
a UAP program that I recognized the phenomena is\h
indeed real it was pretty obvious to me that this\h\h

544
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:41,640
was significant even if even if we were to argue\h
as a psyups it's still significant a Psy amongst\h\h

545
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:46,620
the on on to the American people would still be\h
significant so right there and then I said this\h\h

546
00:55:46,620 --> 00:55:53,340
this is huge man this is huge so I'm like I'm\h
getting in the game so it was like I was busy\h\h

547
00:55:53,340 --> 00:56:00,000
with something I don't remember how far after that\h
news conference was but I think it was like two or\h\h

548
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,800
three weeks and then I just started making video\h
after video and I haven't stopped since then and\h\h

549
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:09,840
what really drives me to be honest uh some people\h
may think uh what drives me is I I enjoy being a\h\h

550
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:14,520
d-list UFO celebrity but that's really not what\h
drives me although I do kind of enjoy it but\h\h

551
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:20,400
it really hasn't done anything for me but what\h
really drives me quite frankly is I want to be\h\h

552
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:26,280
part of the conversation that's what drives me\h
I want what I think and my assessment to enter\h\h

553
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:31,380
the conversation and I've I've been blessed to do\h
that because I have a pretty big Twitter following\h\h

554
00:56:31,380 --> 00:56:36,300
I have a pretty big YouTube following so not\h
to toot my own horn and you know I'm sure I\h\h

555
00:56:36,300 --> 00:56:42,480
say stupid things all the time but I do have a\h
pretty a fairly large audience when all things\h\h

556
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,740
are considered and that's what I wanted because\h
I wanted to have an influence on the conversation\h\h

557
00:56:46,740 --> 00:56:50,700
that's what drives me that's what drives me\h
every single day basically that's about it\h\h

558
00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:55,440
yeah I think the point to make here is you're\h
absolutely right one of the things you guys\h\h

559
00:56:55,440 --> 00:57:00,540
have both focused me on today is that whilst\h
there is an attempt to put this all back in the\h\h

560
00:57:00,540 --> 00:57:08,040
bottle as happened probably after Roswell in 1947\h
mainstream media was very easily controlled I mean\h\h

561
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:13,440
we know for example the the telegraph operators\h
were basically told not to re-transmit the story\h\h

562
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:20,280
on the day it's harder to do that these days\h
it's harder to put it back in the bottle and yes\h\h

563
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:25,320
to address what Christina was talking about the\h
media is more fragmented the mainstream media is\h\h

564
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:30,960
largely Irrelevant in this debate it's making\h
itself Irrelevant in the debate but what is\h\h

565
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:36,720
fascinating and what is really heartening is to\h
see people like you guys and hopefully us Bryce\h\h

566
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:43,380
and I coming forward and talking about this issue\h
and entering the conversation and I just want to\h\h

567
00:57:43,380 --> 00:57:49,620
leave people with the observation we don't need\h
the Wall Street Journal the New York Times The\h\h

568
00:57:49,620 --> 00:57:56,100
Washington Post the LA time times to tell us\h
that this story is real they've made themselves\h\h

569
00:57:56,100 --> 00:58:03,780
irrelevant with their inability to engage with\h
it in an objective and sensible way so I think\h\h

570
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:12,960
the big lesson for me is I come away from talking\h
to you guys heartened YouTube Russ I I do I want\h\h

571
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:19,200
to thank Ryan and Christina for for appearing with\h
us today and and taking this conversation forward\h\h

572
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:28,080
I I am an optimist about this thing I I don't\h
know if the toothpaste back in the tube is the\h\h

573
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:36,000
right metaphor but I am profoundly of the opinion\h
that we've gone too far and that it isn't going to\h\h

574
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:41,700
be possible in today's media environment as you\h
called it a fragmented one with people like Ryan\h\h

575
00:58:41,700 --> 00:58:46,980
and Christina and frankly you and me Ross and\h
all the other people who are involved in this\h\h

576
00:58:46,980 --> 00:58:54,240
for it to just go away it was a lot easier in\h
1969 when they folded up Blue Book for people\h\h

577
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:58,860
to say I guess they looked into it because that's\h
where you got your answers I don't think we'll get\h\h

578
00:58:58,860 --> 00:59:04,140
the answers from those people as you pointed\h
out like we used to so I'm very uh optimistic\h\h

579
00:59:04,140 --> 00:59:10,020
about it and I just wanted to close out by giving\h
our two guests here a chance to tell our audience\h\h

580
00:59:10,020 --> 00:59:16,080
where they can find them in this fragmented media\h
environment so Christina will start with you tell\h\h

581
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,920
us tell our people where where they can find\h
you and hear you and listen to your thoughts\h\h

582
00:59:20,460 --> 00:59:26,160
well first off thank you so much for having me\h
on it is such a pleasure to speak with all of you\h\h

583
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:34,860
um your audience can find me on my website at\h
strangeparadigms.com there you can find all of\h\h

584
00:59:34,860 --> 00:59:42,120
my social media from YouTube to the blogs I write\h
to Twitter Instagram Facebook Tick Tock Discord\h\h

585
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:47,940
and things like this but my yeah but my YouTube\h
channel is under my name um Christina Gomez there\h\h

586
00:59:47,940 --> 00:59:56,040
is no h it's just c-r-i-s-t-i-n-a and there you\h
can catch four shows a week plus my daily YouTube\h\h

587
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:02,520
shorts as well four shows a week oh come on that's\h
an overage thanks for making time for us that was\h\h

588
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:08,640
insane uh Ryan where do we find you my friend I'm\h
Gonna Leave just one place go to YouTube and look\h\h

589
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:16,500
up posts disclosure World these days I'm really\h
just mostly covering the news because in this\h\h

590
01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:21,840
current environment very bizarrely which I think\h
is a testament to where where how far we've come\h\h

591
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:27,180
is that there's news on the lake on a weekly basis\h
that is worthy of talking about and exploring so\h\h

592
01:00:27,180 --> 01:00:31,260
go to YouTube and go to post disclosure world\h
and you'll find me and thank you for having me\h\h

593
01:00:31,260 --> 01:00:37,860
Bryce and Ross it was a pleasure and I'll say\h
this by the way about Ryan uh it is true about\h\h

594
01:00:37,860 --> 01:00:42,420
your YouTube It's fascinating that's where I\h
first found you but I love your pithy little\h\h

595
01:00:42,420 --> 01:00:49,140
uh tweets I think you've mastered the art of\h
raising big big ideas in little little amounts\h\h

596
01:00:49,140 --> 01:00:54,060
of words and I hope that Elon Musk doesn't ever\h
get in the way of you being able to do that Ross\h\h

597
01:00:54,060 --> 01:01:00,240
I'm going to let you take us out so thank you\h
to both of you Ryan and Christina for sharing\h\h

598
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:07,200
your thoughts and we'll be back another\h
time very soon hopefully with a fresh ndaa\h\h